<trackbot> Date: 08 January 2015

<stakagi> zakim ??P5 is me

<heycam> ScribeNick: BogdanBrinza

First topic: transform on svg / ed

<ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2014Dec/0003.html

The link clarifies the transform as a property

though not clear how it should be applied

how to put this on fragment for example

birtles: So how to apply it to fragments?

ed: Few option - apply inside/ outide svg

if that's defined in style - apply this as part of normal SVG layout

Firefox currently the only who does that as part of layout

birtles: Useful distinction of style transform vs property

ed: suggestion - so we need to describe in SVG spec how that is supposed to work

2. we need to agree how it's supposed to work

e.g. attribute should work the same as style transform

have we discussed before the viewbox and the order of transforms on the element

for example everybody agrees that porperty should apply as the attribute

but if one has viewBox and transform - which order do those apply

ed: Would expect transform spec should define this

Dirk: can add this as it's currently does not mention SVG element

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SVG embedded in HTML is normal HTML element and outer transform would apply first then viewbox would apply to root element inside

tav: that is easy way to describe this

Dirk:
... but transform does nothing to element

and for

So if I have a style on svg root that says transform: scale

in HTML context that would be scaled and in standalone context wouldn't be?

Tav: right

but from authoring perspective it's inconsistent when it applies vs when it doesn't

Tav: consider svg as a viewport on the other content, so transforms would apply outside

We should do whatever html is doing for the root element - so

and panning and zooming should be described in the same sense - not as changing viewport, but as a transform on the root

<Smailus> Apologize... stuck in another meeting; will be on shortly.

ed: the order of the transform does matter and there were some equations how we're supposed to zoom

Eric do you know what implementation supports transform on svg element?

As attribute only Firefox currently supports that, as style property - other browsers

<ed> http://jsfiddle.net/6pnnkoz3/5/

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<ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2014Dec/0013.html

<richardschwerdtfeger> ok

<richardschwerdtfeger> next week it is

Bogdan: looking at the sample IE is the same as Chrome and Eric mention other browsers as the same

ed: the follow up is to agree that transform should apply from outside

and both cases html/standalone should work the same way

ed: would like to fix those resolutions

Any objections to have property and style attrubute work the same on

(no objections)

RESOLUTION: transform property applies conceptually to the outside of

we can be more clear in SVG spec to call this as new feature

also might be in transform spec as well

<scribe> ACTION: ed to call out transforms working the way we resolved as new feature [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/08-svg-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-3691 - Call out transforms working the way we resolved as new feature [on Erik Dahlström - due 2015-01-15].

<ed> #svgVIew(viewBox(...))

ed: If you specify svg viewBox as attribute in style and transform all on root element

how would that apply - in what order

<ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2014Dec/0015.html

this came as complaints from some old testsute

correction: the above combination is of transform and fragment, not style attribute

if you give transform fragment syntax and make this apply inside svg element

this might be confusing on how this is supposed to work

ed: the spec doesn't clarify how this is supposed to work especially in combination with viewBox

currently if you specify fragment that would override transform you had, same should apply to viewBox

what implementation support tranform on the root?

ed: I would guess this would work like html root

we need to know implementations that support transforms in fragment declaration and how this interacts with attribute

ed: the worry is real usage - transform + svgView syntax

how likely we'll see somthing like this?

so we'd like to see what we all are doing here at the moment

<scribe> ACTION: ed to get tests that would show what implementations are doing with transforms in fragments now [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/08-svg-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-3692 - Get tests that would show what implementations are doing with transforms in fragments now [on Erik Dahlström - due 2015-01-15].

<heycam> Scribe: Cameron

<heycam> ScribeNick: heycam

SVG 2 assessment

BogdanBrinza: I have a document that I want to put somewhere
... Rossen and I put this together
... we spent some time looking at the issues/actions
... we tried to put some "readiness" of different parts of the spec
... I want to put this document in front of us soon
... there are some big parts that have more problems/instability than others
... so I'd like to get some more attention to them
... the first chapter with the most issues is the Document Structure chapter
... specifically,